Notizen:

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 06C8A96B1B90FE49B09EC66E69B776D3BFDA
Death: ABT. 7 DEC 1890
Sources:
1. Title: Gordon Herrboldt, 7212 Garfield Ave So, Richfield, MN 55473 - Text: Zion Luthern Cemetery, Menno, SD

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: B76C1107026449B6B1A652430731060CD6C5
Sources:
1. Title: Gordon Herrboldt
2. Title: Odessa Library - Publication: www.odessa3.org

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: CCA9162280BECC48B2F5F9A57F5430FE45E7
Burial: Menno Cemetery, Twp 97 R56 S9
Event: Immigrated 1 Sep 1874 Ss Shiller, Ny, Ny
Event: Naturalized 13 Dec 1879 Yankton, Dakota Territory
Wohnort:
1880 Township 96, Yankton, Dakota Territory
1900 Township 96, Range 57, Yankton County, South Dakota
Sources:
1. Title: Obit of Matthaus Ulmer
2. Title: Gordon Herrboldt, 7212 Garfield Ave So, Richfield, MN 55473
3. Title: Hutchinson County SD Cemeteries
4. Title: GRHeritage Review - Page: Vol 17 Issue 3 Page 37
5. Title: 1880 United States Federal Census
6. Title: 1900 United States Federal Census - www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/yankton/census/1900/347-11a.gif
7. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1884111/2 762 5

Matthäus heiratete Klink, Elisabetha am 17 Feb 1870 in Johannestal, Gebiet Beresan, Region Odessa, Rußland. Elisabetha (Tochter von Klink, Johann und Harr, Anna Clara) wurde geboren am 31 Mrz 1841 in Johannestal, Gebiet Beresan, Region Odessa, Rußland; gestorben am 12 Jun 1914 in Menno, Hutchinson County, South Dakota, USA; wurde beigesetzt in Menno, Hutchinson County, South Dakota, USA. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: 49EA9979957E4547A8FC3C6C1501A4DCC683
Sources:
1. Title: Gordon Herrboldt
2. Title: Grossliebental, Liebental District Odessa, 1858 Census - Author: GRHS & AHSGR
3. Title: Odessa Library - Publication: www.odessa3.org

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 02545ED549EC9A4289DD6D8BE7B2443D12F6
Burial: Menno Cemetery, Twp 97 R56 S9
Event: Immigrated 1 Sep 1874 Ss Shiller, Ny, Ny
Wohnort:
1880 Township 96, Yankton, Dakota Territory
1900 Township 96, Range 57, Yankton County, South Dakota
Sources:
1. Title: Gordon Herrboldt, 7212 Garfield Ave So, Richfield, MN 55473
2. Title: Hutchinson County SD Cemeteries
3. Title: GRHeritage Review - Page: Vol 17 Issue 3 Page 37
4. Title: 1880 United States Federal Census
5. Title: 1900 United States Federal Census - www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/yankton/census/1900/347-11a.gif
6. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1884105/2 492 31
7. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1884111/2 762 5

Notizen:

Uwe Zimbelmann:
Karl Stumpp: S.715#31

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 2C82DCFC480D3B49B7BE550FBC576FDA94E0
Event: Immigrated 1 Sep 1874 Ss Shiller, Ny,Ny
Event: Naturalized 2 Dec 1878 Yankton, Dakota Territory
Sources:
1. Title: The Emigration from Germany to Russia in the Years 1763 to 1862 by Karl Stumpp - Page: Johannestal, RL 31, Pg 714 - Jacob Ulmer brother of Mathias Ulmer
2. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1792290/2 139 6 - Text: Marriage record says husband is 23.
3. Title: Carol McCormack, P.O. Box 52037, Tacoma, WA 98442 - Text: gave specific birth date of 31 May 1810
4. Title: Menno, The First Hundred Years, 1879 to 1979 - Page: History of Jacob Ulmer
5. Title: Gordon Herrboldt, 7212 Garfield Ave So, Richfield, MN 55473 - Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - 1792290/2 139 6
Text: LDS records show the marriage of Jacob and Christina: Wife age 16 Prts - Johann Bremer Catharina Zindel . Husb age 23 of Johannestal Prts Matthaus Ulmer/Veronika Barbara Groll

Johann heiratete Brenner, Christina Barbara. Christina (Tochter von Brenner, Johann und Zindel, Catharina) wurde geboren am 25 Okt 1817; gestorben am 26 Mrz 1900. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 9FE42FB2EF1603479D0945200E6BD86C7BA5
Event: Immigrated 1 Sep 1874 S.S. Shiller, New York, New York
Sources:
1. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1792290/2 139 6 - Text: Transcription of marriage record shows bride was 46 years old - but it should have read 16 years old.
2. Title: GRHeritage Review - Page: Vol 17 Issue 3 Page 37
3. Title: LDS Film 1882643/1 206 7 - Page: 1792290/2 139 6 - Text: LDS records show the marriage of Jacob and Christina: Wife age 16 Prts - Johann Bremer Catharina Zindel . Husb age 23 of Johannestal Prts Matthaus Ulmer/Veronika Barbara Groll

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: 1BAD15B170A5424DAB05F0984EC146A05F50
Sources:
1. Title: Odessa Library - Publication: www.odessa3.org
2. Title: Gordon Herrboldt

Michael L. Wiest:
Sources:
1. Title: Dennis John Weist.FTW - Media: Other - Text: Date of Import: Jan 16, 2002
2. Title: Harold M Wiest.FTW - Media: Other - Text: Date of Import: Jan 24, 2002

Johann heiratete Harr, Anna Clara geschätzt 1840. Anna (Tochter von Harr, Johannes und Koch, Margaretha) wurde geboren am 12 Jun 1818 in Großliebental, Gebiet Großliebental, Region Odessa, Rußland; gestorben am 1 Nov 1876 in Rohrbach, Gebiet Beresan, Region Odessa, Rußland. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Anderer Ereignisse und Attribute:

• Alias-Name: Hanna, Hannah, Annetta

Notizen:

Michael L. Wiest:
Sources:
1. Title: 1858 Russian Census of Rohrbach - ABBR 1858 Russian Census of Rohrbach
2. Title: Harold M Wiest.FTW - Media: Other - Text: Date of Import: Jan 24, 2002

Anderer Ereignisse und Attribute:

• Alias-Name: Matthaeus Remely Ulmer

Notizen:

Ryan James Korkowski:
ID: KGCN-PC9

Karl Stumpp:
Karl Stumpp: S.466, S.715#31
Einwanderung über Ismael

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 021B9ED4EF6C6B4581865BCDD0B3B70F123B
Sources:
1. Title: The Emigration from Germany to Russia in the Years 1763 to 1862 by Karl Stumpp - Page: Johannestal RL 31
2. Title: Carol McCormack, P.O. Box 52037, Tacoma, WA 98442 - Text: gave specific birth date of 16 Sep 1760
3. Title: The Emigration in the Years 1763 to 1862 - Karl Stumpp - Page 466 - Ulmer, Matthias, Bauer, died 1824

Matthäus heiratete Groll, Veronika Barbara am 22 Nov 1785 in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. Veronika (Tochter von Groll, Zacharias und Binder, Catharina Barbara) wurde geboren am 14 Jan 1766 in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; und gestorben. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Karl Stumpp:
Karl Stumpp: S.466

Ryan James Korkowski:
ID: KGCN-FHL

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 793F216ED6E1A847B65D869D7FD177917BC5
Sources:
1. Title: The Emigration from Germany to Russia in the Years 1763 to 1862 by Karl Stumpp - Page: Johannestal RL 31
2. Title: Carol McCormack, P.O. Box 52037, Tacoma, WA 98442

Notizen:

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 2D2FAF837B287B4A9CC0893398F7A275B401

Johann heiratete Zindel, Catharina. Catharina wurde geboren geschätzt 1790; und gestorben. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 726A7B258853144D8198AE2E340EBBD07AC9

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: B5F429E5236C4F768BD566062C2B9E592572
EMIGRATION TO RUSSIA
The Glatten family book register for the family of Johann David Harr and Anna Maria Gühring shows that their children Jacob Friedrich, Johann David, Johannes, Johann Matthaus and Anna Maria all emigrated to Russia. Passport data can be found for Friedrich and David in 1817. As the other three were not married at the time, it is possible that they traveled under the passport of one of their older married brothers. It is known that Johannes arrived in Russia in 1817. His date of birth corresponds very closely to that calculated from the ages in the documents below. While one of those documents gives his place of origin as Glatt (rather than Glatten), no record of a Johannes Harr from Glatt can be found. Based on other information, it is currently assumed that he was actually this Johannes from Glatten.
DOCUMENTS FROM RUSSIA
Fond #252-1-535 --About accepting the immigrant Johann Harr into the number of the colonists of Grossliebental.
*5 March 1826 - Württemberg immigrant Johann Harr, who arrived in 1817 through Ismail quarantine and did not come in 1822 to be registered for the new revision lists, wishes now to be accepted into the number of the colonists of the Colony Grossliebental, about whose acceptance the local colonists declared their agreement.. The attachments under A and B, the name list about his family, I submit all of this to the Office for their approval..
*15 March 1826 - ..Johann Harr..who wishes to be accepted into the number of the colonists of the Colony Grossliebental, about whose acceptance the local community declared their agreement and that decision was submitted to the Office for approval together with the name list of Harr's family and the supervisor submits this Grossliebental community's aggreement to accept immigrant Harr and his family of 1 male and 3 female members.. the immigrant Johann Harr as well as his wife Margaretha actually arrived in 1817 to Russia through the Ismail quarantine, being then single, both with the standard passport and each of them had to pay 50 rubles of state quarantine debt.
*Attachment A, in German, dated 24 November 1825 - We, who are signing in the name of the community of the Grossliebental colonists, hereby certify that we shall accept and take into our midst the colonist Johann Harr, who arrived here, unmarried, in the year 1817 by way of Ismail, but who, however, married Margaretha Koch in the same year, together with his entire family, which consists of one male and 4 female souls. - Followed by 21 signatures.
*Attachment B, also in German, dated 28 January 1826 - a form with the name list for the family of colonist Johann Harr:
Arrived in 1817 by way of Ismail quarantine.
Johann Harr 35, wife Margaretha 32, daughters Anna 6, Charlotta 4, Cathrina 2.
Place of birth: "von Glatt, Oberamt Sulz in Württemberg"
Occupation: Schäfer
Residence: Grossliebental
*14 May 1826 - To Kherson financial office-The Office sends 2 copies of revision lists about newly accepted colonist Johann Harr and asks to accept Harr into the number of the colonists of Grossliebental, Tiraspol district, from 1827 and with benefits from 1817.
Fond #252-1-729 --Case of issuing emergency passports in Liebental district. Began in January 1830, completed 24 May 1830.
Grossliebental colonist Johann Harr (shepherd) wants to get a one-year passport to live with his family in Cherson, Tauria and Ekaterinoslav provinces earning his profession. Since this colonist doesn't have his farmstead and has guarantors for the future, the office asks for giving him a one-year passport. Legal duty of 5 silver rubles and 10 rubles for charitable institutions are enclosed.
Passport - By decree of his Majesty, Tsar and Emperor Nicholas Pavlovich, Ruler of all Russia.. Presenter of this, colonist of Odessa district, Colony Grossliebental, Johann Harr with family that consists of 2 males and 5 females, who has a state debt, discharged into Odessa district for personal needs from below written date for one year, that is until 19 October 1829. After this date he must come back; otherwise he will be subject to the law. Issued from Odessa Department of Foreign Settlers with attachment of a seal on 19 October 1828 in the State Colony of Tiraspol district.
Description:
Age: 39 - Height: small - Hair: blond - Eyebrows: blond - Eyes: blue - Nose: ordinary - Mouth: same - Chin: small
Face: pock-marked
Fond #252-1-878 (translated by Serge Yelizarov) -- About giving passports to colonists of Liebental district
To: Odessa Bureau of Foreign Settlers
Received: June 10, 1831
From: Liebental District Office
We ask to give/extend a one-year passport to Johann Harr with his family, who arrived through Ismail in 1817 and is registered in Gross-Liebental, to be a sheep-farmer at the estate of general Koble in Odessa uyezd. There are no obstacles from the community side, since all 1831 taxes have been paid and therefore his passport where his distinctive marks are pointed is true. - June 6, 1831
For midclass citizens and peasants; for the term less than one year; price 5 Rubles
By Ukaz of his Majesty, Emperor Nicolay Pavlovich
The bearer of this, colonist of Gross-Liebental Johann Harr with his wife Margaretha 38 years old, son Johann and daughters Anna, Lotta, Catharina and Barbara, with the state debt upon him, is allowed to go to various towns and villages of Cherson, Ekaterinoslav and Taurida provinces for personal needs, beginning from the date pointed below and for the term of one year, i.e. till May 8th of 1831 with getting back by then, to be prosecuted by the law otherwise. Given and sealed by Odessa Bureau of Foreign Settlers on May 8, 1830 in Odessa.
Distinctive Marks:
Age - 40 - Stature - low - Hair/brows - fair - Eyes - blue - Nose/mouth - regular - Chin - small - Face - pitted
Sources:
1. Title: Documents from Odessa - researched and provided by Serge Elizarov
2. Title: Glatten Church Books, 1558-1991 - Author: Evangelische Kirche Glatten (AG Freudenstadt)
3. Title: Article by Johann Jacob Harr (born 1853)
4. Title: Odessa St. Paul Evangelical Lutheran Church Family Book--630-1-355 - Publication: GRHS, 2002

Johannes heiratete Koch, Margaretha in 1817 in ,, Region Odessa, Rußland. Margaretha (Tochter von Koch, Adam Friedrich und Haag, Anna Catharina) wurde geboren am 6 Jan 1792 in Schwaikheim, Rems-Murr-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; getauft am 7 Jan 1792 in Schwaikheim, Rems-Murr-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; gestorben am 1 Mrz 1870 in Alexanderhilf, Gebiet Großliebental, Region Odessa, Rußland. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: 1CE1107BE9E144399734BFFB3649A1DB4FA3
THEORY
At this time, it can only be theorized that the Margaretha Koch who married Johannes Harr in Russia is the same as the Margaretha Koch born in Schwaikheim. However, given the facts below, it seems a logical conclusion, at least until other facts become known.
FACTS KNOWN ABOUT MARGARETHA KOCH
Age: In the 1858 Census for Grossliebental (taken on 1 Jan), her age is given as 66 (suggesting a birth in 1791). Her age at death is given as 77 years, 3 months, 4 days (suggesting a birth date about 27 Nov 1792).
Arrival in Russia: From an 1826 document requesting acceptance into the colony of Grossliebental, Margaretha Koch and Johannes Harr, both single, arrived through Ismail quarantine in 1817 and were married later that year [probably in Odessa].
Stumpp: Adam Friedrich Koch and Gottlieb Koch both left for/arrived in Russia in 1817 from Schwaikheim.
From Schwaikheim Family Register: Her brother Johann Gottlieb Koch emigrated with his family to Caucasus on 11 Jun 1817. Her sister Katharina Barbara married Joh. Gutenberger and emigrated in 1817 (destination not given). Margaretha emigrated with permission (ist mit Erlaubniß ausgewandert) (date and destination not given).
Margaretha Koch was born in Schwaikheim on 6 Jan 1793, only 1 month and 10 days different from the birth date suggested by age at death of the Margaretha (Koch) Harr who died in Alexanderhilf.
No passport information was found for Johannes Harr. However, his two older brothers, Jacob Friedrich and Johann David Harr, obtained passports in Freudenstadt on 12 Jun 1817. This was only one day later than Johann Gottlieb Koch in Waiblingen--so it seems quite possible that they would have traveled together on the journey to Russia.
Of further interest is the fact that the oldest daughter of Johannes and Margaretha (Koch) Harr married Johannes Klink/Klenk. It appears that the Klenk family was also from Schwaikheim.
CENSUS
The 1858 Census for Grossliebental lists the "Widow Margaretha Harr" 66, along with sons: Johann 29, his wife Katharina (arrived from Neu Freudental) 28 and sons Johann 5 and Daniel 3; and Daniel 26, and his wife Friederika (arrived from Güldendorf) 21.
Sources:
1. Title: Grossliebental, Liebental District Odessa, 1858 Census - Author: GRHS & AHSGR
2. Title: St. Petersburg Church Books, 1833-1885-Evangelische Kirche, Konsistorium Petersburg-#1884111/2 p. 207
3. Title: Schwaikheim Church Books, 1561-1915 - Author: Evangelische Kirche Schwaikheim (OA Waiblingen)
4. Title: Odessa St. Paul Evangelical Lutheran Church Family Book--630-1-355 - Publication: GRHS, 2002

Anderer Ereignisse und Attribute:

• Alias-Name: Hanss Georg Ulmer

Notizen:

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: 209C55DEA4148547B61DFECE7F9DAC7A5467

Familysearch.org:
ID: L6FV-8YD

Hans heiratete Schleicher, Margaretha am 24 Aug 1751 in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. Margaretha (Tochter von Schleicher, Hans Michael und Schleicher, Maria Esther - wife of) wurde geboren am 16 Jan 1730 in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; und gestorben in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Familysearch.org:
ID: 2S42-2X5

Notizen:

Ryan James Korkowski:
ID: 2Z3S-XXR

Walter Guthmiller:
UID: BFF64E09EE571C4CA5F741D3F95B56677A52

Zacharias heiratete Binder, Catharina Barbara am 16 Feb 1762 in Kleiningersheim, Kreis Ludwigsburg, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. Catharina wurde geboren in 1724; gestorben in 1769. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Ryan James Korkowski:
ID: LBNJ-G5W

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: D0C03A726A034BBC9FB44C1A2D1FC6F16C95
Born: 16 Mar 1749/50
Sources:
1. Title: Ralph Wiseman
2. Title: Glatten Church Books, 1558-1991 - Author: Evangelische Kirche Glatten (AG Freudenstadt) - #1884493 -3

Johann heiratete Göhring, Anna Maria am 15 Jun 1773 in Glatten, Kreis Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. Anna (Tochter von Göhring, Andreas und Zahn, Anna) wurde geboren am 20 Aug 1754 in Grömbach, Kreis Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; gestorben am 8 Jun 1819 in Grömbach, Kreis Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]

Notizen:

Karen Abel:
UID: AF856B40E6C041068DCD5E1B31B3B26DA209
Sources:
1. Title: Ralph Wiseman
2. Title: Grömbach Church Books, 1658-1984 - Author: Evangelische Kirche Grömbach (OA Freudenstadt)
3. Title: Glatten Church Books, 1558-1991 - Author: Evangelische Kirche Glatten (AG Freudenstadt)

Adam heiratete Haag, Anna Catharina geschätzt 1792. Anna (Tochter von Haag, Johann Adam und Schwartz, Anna Barbara) wurde geboren am 8 Nov 1760 in Bittenfeld, Rems-Murr-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland; gestorben am 30 Aug 1809 in Schwaikheim, Rems-Murr-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Deutschland. [Familienblatt] [Familientafel]